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: Oh wow, suddenly so many Strix Point haters popping up, all sounding so *technical*. Must be hardcore 24/7 productivity users who absolutely need sub-nanosecond cross-CCD latency, right? So here’s the question: *What* productivity app *requires* such low cross-CCD latency? Name one. None of the media reviews found any workload where Lunar Lake’s "advantage" actually mattered. Meanwhile, Lunar Lake butchered hyper-threading, AVX512, and core count, then needed 3D stacking and MoP just to *match* memory latency—yet still shows zero real-world productivity gains. If you’d criticized AMD’s iGPU for lacking H.265 10-bit 422 support (where Intel *does* crush it), I’d take you seriously. Even Intel’s own slides don’t hype Lunar Lake this hard. If it were *that* revolutionary, why’s Intel still fire-selling its campuses?
哟,一下冒出这么多喷strix point的用户,还说的头头是道,一定都是极度需要极低的跨CCD延迟的7x24小时生产力用户吧?那么问题就来了,到底什么应用、什么生产力软件才必须要这么低跨CCD延迟呢?你们倒是举个例子呀?这么多媒体评测,也没见到哪个生产力项目没有低跨CCD延迟就跑不了的呀,也没见到lunar lake有任何优势呀?你lunar lake砍超线程、砍avx512、砍核心,还要3D封装还要MoP才堆出来的内存延迟 ,跑生产力也没见到强在哪呀?但凡你喷amd核显没法h.265 10bit 422,编解码差intel一大截,我都觉得你们中肯。Intel自己ppt都不敢像你们这样吹,真这么强intel还急着卖大楼干嘛……
: Trust me, you can only pick one: big.LITTLE or hyper-threading. Anyone who’s tinkered with Xeon knows hyper-threading has scheduling issues too. Those who’ve used big.LITTLE know its scheduling is equally cursed. AMD somehow managed to combine the worst of both worlds—big.LITTLE, CCX, *and* hyper-threading scheduling flaws. I have no idea what they were thinking. Apple handed them a perfect blueprint for laptop processors, and they still flunked the copy-paste test. The optimal laptop solution right now is big cores + super cores, with all peripherals integrated into the SoC. That’s the only viable answer this generation. After Lunar Lake drops, only Apple and Lunar Lake will matter for non-gaming laptops—everything else might as well be dead on arrival. 相信我, 大小核和超线程只能二选一。但凡用过至强的垃圾佬都知道超线程也有调度问题。用过大小核的都知道大小核调度也是难。AMD 简直牛逼大小核,ccx ,超线程调度的所有缺点都上了,我不知道它怎么想的。苹果都交满分笔记本处理器方案了,这都能抄错答案。 笔记本最好的方案就是大核加超大核,然后外围芯片全部塞SOC ,这是当前版本唯一的解。lunar lake 出来后,除了游戏本,其他笔记本只有苹果和lunar lake, 其他方案可以放心去死了。
: AMD's big.LITTLE architecture is truly garbage. Lunar Lake features big cores + super cores, and its big core performance already surpasses AMD's big cores in single-threaded tasks. Plus, Strix Point doesn't share L3 cache across cores—it's just glued together. The scheduling is a mess; you have to disable the small cores for gaming, otherwise the cross-CCD latency becomes a dumpster fire. Some on Zhihu even joked it's like a 12-core i3 processor. And let's talk battery life: Lunar Lake dominates everything except Apple. PS: Strix Point's GPU memory bandwidth is too low—in real-world gaming, it often underperforms even Lunar Lake's notoriously bad drivers. AMD's iGPU without on-package memory means the 780M is basically its ceiling. Strix Point is genuinely terrible. For ultra-thin laptops, you'd pick Lunar Lake or M3/M4; for regular laptops, Arrow Lake or Zen4. There's zero scenario where Strix Point makes sense, especially when it's pricier than Lunar Lake. amd 这个大小核真的废物。 lunar lake 是大核+超大核,它的大核性能比AMD大核单核性能都好多了,而且strike point 不共享三级缓存,真胶水。无法调度,游戏只能关闭小核来运行,不然跨CCD 延迟可以拉屎了。知乎上有人笑称12个核心的i3处理器。 而且,lunar lake 续航除了苹果,默秒全了。PS,strike point 的GPU 内存带宽太低,实际游戏很多还不如驱动垃圾的lunar lake. AMD 的核显不上片上内存,780M其实就到头了。 strike point 真的很烂,首先超薄笔记本上,肯定是选lunar lake 或者 M3/M4, 常规笔记肯定是上arrow lake 或者ZEN4。找不到任何一个选strike point 的场景,而且它比lunar lake 还贵。
: I'm a simple person; I don't care if it's Lunar Lake or Ryzen AI. As long as you give me a good discount, I'll buy it [dog head] 我这个人很简单,我不管你lunar lake还是ryzen ai,只要你给我折扣价格够低我就买
: Again with the inter-core latency issues and claims that it's not as good as Lunar Lake... I'm just curious about what kind of person plays games, especially online games, on an ultrabook. Do people buying Apple's M chips or Lunar Lake really care about gaming? Not to mention that the BIOS has already been fixed, and even if inter-core latency is high, how many people are actually affected? Do people buy ultrabooks just for gaming? As for daily office work and productivity software, I don't see Lunar Lake outperforming in any way. It has just 4P+4E, and even Intel's official presentations don't boast about multi-core performance. As for Apple M, there's not even an x86 environment... 又是核间延迟爆炸,又是不如lunar lake…… 我就好奇什么样的人拿轻薄本打游戏尤其是网游,买苹果m芯片的人和lunar lake的人会care游戏?就不说bios已经修复了,即便是核间延迟高又有多少人会受到影响?买轻薄本就为了打游戏?日常办公、生产力软件也没见到lunar lake性能好在哪啊,就4P+4E连intel官方ppt都没敢吹多核性能,apple m就更不用说了,x86环境都没有……
: Might as well just buy Lunar Lake. This is the x86 chip that's most like Apple's M4. 还不如买lunar lake。最像Apple M4的x86芯片
: Big-little cores that are even worse than Intel's. CCX latency is through the roof, and four big cores aren't enough for gaming workloads—performance drops off a cliff once you go beyond four. According to GeekBay's tests, several games show performance that's downright underwhelming. 比intel 还差的大小核。ccx延迟高到爆炸,四个大核又不够游戏开销,一旦超过四个大核,性能暴跌。极客湾测试,多款游戏牙膏倒吸
: This price truly leaves no room for the poor. I'll slowly wait for it to drop to 599. 这价格 真心是不给穷人活路 慢慢等降价到599
回复 @晚晚累卿 : The Mainland China version of XiaoXin 14 Pro already has the 8745HS with NPU disabled. Once this AI farce is over, the price should return to normal. At least the 7040 still has an NPU. 小新14pro国行已经有屏蔽npu的8745hs了,等ai闹剧过了之后价格应该就正常了,7040至少还有npu呢
: You'll be waiting a while then. Even slightly better models in the 7040 series haven't dropped to 599 yet. 那可有的等了,7040系列稍微好点的都没降到599呢