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: Tech experts, is my 9900K + 4090 considered a low-CPU, high-GPU setup? Is it worth upgrading to this Ultra 9? 大神们，我是9900K + 4090 算低u高显吗？换这个ultra 9值得吗
: For 4K gaming, the impact isn't significant. Personally, I feel it's better to switch to 12th, 13th, or 14th gen. A motherboard, CPU, and RAM combo costs about the same as this single CPU. Plus, this generation offers almost no improvement for gaming; it's mainly about improved power efficiency. New motherboards are super expensive and only support this one generation. 打游戏4k影响不大。个人感觉不如换12、13、14代，mc一个主板cpu内存套装跟这一个cpu的价格差不多。而且这一代游戏几乎没提升，主要是能效加强。新主板贼贵还只用这一代。
: Switch to a 9800X3D, or grab a cheap 78X3D. Many AAA games are still quite CPU-intensive now; if the CPU is weak, the framerate won't be stable. 换9800x3d吧，或者捡个便宜的78x3d。现在好多3a游戏还是比较吃u的，u低了帧数稳不住。
: Which one is stronger compared to Apple M4? Purely out of amateur curiosity![[抱拳]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_baoquan@2x.png?v=1)
与苹果M4哪个强些，纯属外行好奇![[抱拳]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_baoquan@2x.png?v=1)
: They're not in the same league. Between these two options, it depends on your software environment. But purely in terms of CPU benchmark performance, Intel is definitely stronger. 不是一个赛道，这两个选择的话，得看你的软件使用环境。但就CPU性能跑分肯定是Intel强
: The Apple M4 should be compared with Lunar Lake. 苹果M4应该和Lunar Lake比。
: Is this generation worth buying? Or should I choose AMD X3D? 这代值得买吗？还是选AMD X3D？
回复 @甲级囧鸟 : Stop spreading rumors. The 1% low framerate on X3D is terrible, and its average under high loads isn't stronger than Intel either. What's the point? 别造谣了 X3D 1% low一坨翔 高负荷下avg也不比I家强 意义何在
回复 @匿名用户 : Are you dreaming? You haven't used it yourself. You should at least check out some of the many reviews, both domestic and international. 你做梦呢嘛？你自己没用过，中外那么多测评多少看看吧？
: I just want to clarify: For everyday use, and for light gamers, is worrying about “core degradation” (宿缸) something you can basically ignore? 我只是想问清楚。日常使用的话 正常运作对于轻度玩家 宿缸是不是可以忽略不计
: It's not possible; after downclocking, it still blue screens under light load, and then Intel won't cover it under warranty. The only solution is to immediately update the BIOS, undervolt, and underclock to avoid aging. 不行的，缩缸完成了以后轻度负载照样蓝屏黑屏，然后Intel拒保。只能是买回来以后直接更新bios，降压降频，避免老化。
: If you don’t need the performance before “core degradation” (宿缸) in scenarios where it can be ignored, then just consider products that won’t have that issue![[飞吻]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_feiwen@2x.png?v=1)
缩肛忽略不计的场合你是不是不需要缩肛前的性能，那就可以考虑不会缩肛的产品了![[飞吻]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_feiwen@2x.png?v=1)
: The 9950x is only 3.5% better than the 7950x? Is the data correct? 9950x只比7950x强了3.5%？数据没问题吗
: Early 9950x reviews still had driver issues. Post-update the gap should be around 5%, unlikely to reach 10% 9950x早期测评的时候还有驱动问题，后期更新估计能差到5%左右，应该看不到10%的差距
: I've seen this data on other websites too. 倒是在别的网站也看过这个数据
: Is it still a big.LITTLE core design? 还是大小核吗？
: It does. 包的
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: Trash among fighting cocks 垃圾中的站斗鸡
: Reverse-engineered toothpaste [facepalm crying]x5 倒劑牙膏![[捂脸哭]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_wulianku@2x.png?v=1)
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: Wasting silicon 浪費沙子
: x3d promo [dog head] x3d宣传片![[狗头]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_goutou@2x.png?v=1)
: 9800x3D [dog head] 9800x3D![[狗头]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_goutou@2x.png?v=1)
: This thing belongs at the same table as x870 [dog head] 这玩意跟x870坐一桌![[狗头]](/assets/emoji/comment-emoji/dm_goutou@2x.png?v=1)
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: Check Geekerwan's review - this thing is a massive regression. Do desktop users really care about such minor power savings? Seems Intel's focus this year is on notebooks - these power specs would be great for laptops 看看极客湾的评测，这玩意儿开倒车也太严重了，台式机真的会在乎这么点功率？今年看来英特尔发力在笔记本了，这功耗放笔记本肯定不错
回复 @cuizuxi : Can't calculate like that. Most PCs spend majority time at low load where power difference is much smaller than benchmarked high-load scenarios 不能这么算的 大部分的电脑其实绝大部份时间都处于低负载状态，功耗的差距远没有评测时差的那么大，评测都是评的高负载状态。
回复 @匿名用户 : Just comparing vertically, Intel is being sincere. For desktops, switching from 14900k to 285 saves 10W per hour - could save enough for a new CPU in three years. The problem is horizontal comparison - average Zen5 users would pay ~50kWh more annually for 20% performance gain, which most would accept. Especially since many don't pay their own electricity bills 单就纵向比较，Intel是有诚意的，台式机14900k换285能省10每分一小时，三年省出一颗cpu。问题是横向没法比较了，普通zen5用户每年多出50度电费体验20%的平均增益，大部分人都能接受，更何况很多情况下电费不用自己掏。
: Just go bankrupt already, what kind of garbage is this 倒闭吧 这什么垃圾玩意
: Intel is really not doing well anymore 英特尔这是真不行了
: What goes around comes around; 30 years on the east, 30 years on the west. Intel is starting to look like AMD from the 19xxs. 风水轮流转，30年河东30年河西。intlel开始像19xx时候的AMD了。
: Looks like we need to wait for Ultra 4XX, as long as Intel isn't acquired!! 看来要等Ultra 4XX了，只要Intel没有被收购!!
回复 @匿名用户 : Intel's management is rotten; changing it would take years of restructuring. intel管理层烂掉了，要改变也需要好多年的换血
: They are all sold out. How to buy? 都卖光了。怎么买?
: Which one did you try to buy that is sold out? 你买哪个没了？
: The 9950x is only 3.5% better than the 7950x? Is the data correct? 9950x只比7950x强了3.5%？数据没问题吗
: Early 9950x reviews still had driver issues. Post-update the gap should be around 5%, unlikely to reach 10% 9950x早期测评的时候还有驱动问题，后期更新估计能差到5%左右，应该看不到10%的差距
: I've seen this data on other websites too. 倒是在别的网站也看过这个数据
: Desktop is still better with AMD. 台式机还是amd的香
: The 15th generation has hemorrhoid issues too, be careful everyone!!! 15代也爆痔疮了，大家小心！！！
: This Arrow Lake is a big flop. I'm not sure what Intel is thinking. Are they unfamiliar with TSMC processes?! 这次Arrow lake很失败耶，不知道intel怎么想的。对台积电工艺不熟悉吗？！
: Arrow Lake's performance at low power is better than Zen 5, but below 150w, AMD's Zen 5 is much superior. It's clearly aimed at high-performance laptops. It feels like Intel is underfunded and is giving up on gaming users, focusing instead on business machines and laptops. arrow lake 低功耗下性能比zen 5 更好，150w 以下AMD zen5 好很多。这明显是为高性能笔记本准备的。感觉Intel 资金不足要放弃游戏用户，耕耘商用机和笔记本了。
: This time Intel is entirely focusing on laptop CPUs. Ultra leads AMD under 150w, but once it exceeds 150w, AMD starts to outperform Ultra 9. Unless the price is right, desktop performance isn't great. However, laptops and mini PCs benefit a lot, with video encoding and decoding still far ahead of AMD. 这次Intel 完全是在做笔记本CPU. ultra 在150w 以下遥遥领先AMD, 但是一旦超过150w AMD 就开始暴打ultra 9了。台式机除非价格到位，不然真不行。但是笔记本和mini 主机端有福了，视频编解码依旧秒杀AMD.
: Enough with the excuses. AMD CPUs are purely dragged down by bad IODs, consuming 30W idly, and struggling with memory frequency. Fortunately, 9000 is stronger than 7000 in that after splitting, it can reach 8000 with lower latency, making high frequencies usable. Intel, by using the most advanced process, the most advanced 3D packaging, the most advanced backside power delivery, and removing hyper-threading and AVX512...and compared to AMD's 2D packaging with outdated IOD processes, this is all they got? 行了不用挽尊了，amd的CPU纯是被辣鸡IOD拖累了，空载IOD都30W功耗，内存频率还上不去，好在9000比7000强的是分频以后8000能上，且延迟低了，高频能用。Intel用着最先进的制程、最先进的3D封装、最先进的背部供电、去掉超线程、avx512……能用的手段都用上了，和amd的2d封装辣鸡IOD落后工艺一比，就这？
: What a shame, Intel said there won't be a next-gen notebook CPU this year 可惜了 英特尔说今年的笔记本U没有下一代了
: AMD stocks might be worth considering🐶 AMD的股票可以考虑了🐶
: Whether they increase depends on AI now. 涨不涨现在看ai那块了
: Not a big impact. The consumer desktop CPU market isn't huge anyway. In notebooks, this gen still can't beat Intel. The real battle is in data centers 没多大影响 台式消费级CPU没多少市场，笔记本端这一代还打不过英特尔 主要看数据中心
: ultra 9 is worth at most 400 yuan, not a penny more. ultra 9 最多值400块，多一毛都不行。
: No ITX small form factor motherboard. That’s just unacceptable. 没有ITX小板，太过分了